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New board posted - Tim at Peace Hill Press 23:17 Jun 26 (0)

Apologia Elementary-Lapbook kits?--Do you like them? (more) - Terri in WA 22:24 Jun 26 (1)

I do have... - Tina in WA 23:05 Jun 26 (0)

Does such a beast exist? Cross curriculum - history, art, architecture (oh - this got long and a little hair-brained - earlybird mom 22:20 Jun 26 (2)

One BIG, FAT book: The Timetables of History by Bernard Grun. link only... - Carmen & Co. 22:25 Jun 26 (1)
- *gasp* be still my beating heart.... you just saved me hours of work! Thank you! Exactly what I was looking for. nt - earlybird mom 22:40 Jun 26 (0)

Can someone help an ex-public school teacher wrap her mind around. . . (m) - Jennefer @ SSA 21:50 Jun 26 (1)

I would highly recommend that you listen to SWB's writing CD.... - WTMindy 21:57 Jun 26 (0)

Scottie, I posted a reply to your question about LLATL and Sonlight below! nt - Dayle in Guatemala 21:01 Jun 26 (0)

Thank you everyone for the Read Aloud lists below. I have copied all of the posts and will look at these! nt - awanama 20:53 Jun 26 (0)

Can someone provide a *detailed* description of History Odyssey level 2? TIA - Carmen & Co. 20:27 Jun 26 (2)

Carmen - would you email me? Email inside. Thanks! - Melissa B 20:46 Jun 26 (1)
- Done! nm - Carmen & Co. 21:08 Jun 26 (0)

RightStart Games with another math program--what do I need? (more) - Terri in WA 19:50 Jun 26 (5)

Want mine? - Trivium Academy 20:27 Jun 26 (2)
- Re: Want mine? - Terri in WA 21:47 Jun 26 (0)
- I am interested if the original poster is not - Dawn K 21:07 Jun 26 (0)
Re: RightStart Games with another math program--what do I need? (more) - OhElizabeth 20:05 Jun 26 (0)
Oh, also, does it matter which edition of the Game Book I use? (nt) - Terri in WA 19:54 Jun 26 (0)

Newbie Here...Where Do I Start? I'm Overwhelmed! - serina 19:35 Jun 26 (11)

Welcome! I am not far ahead of you . . . - Jennefer @ SSA 22:24 Jun 26 (0)
Welcome! Here is a website that tells all the board abbreviations... - WTMindy 22:07 Jun 26 (0)
Welcome! Here is a website that tells all the board abbreviations... - WTMindy 22:07 Jun 26 (0)
Well, first of all, we ALL started out feeling completely overwhelmed... - Tracie in TX 21:10 Jun 26 (1)
- Re: Well, first of all, we ALL started out feeling completely overwhelmed... - serina 21:33 Jun 26 (0)
Hi, Serina! Welcome! Your play area rocks! (m) - Vanna 21:08 Jun 26 (1)
- Re: Hi, Serina! Welcome! Your play area rocks! (m) - Thanks! The play area is my dream--but it's not mine! 21:28 Jun 26 (0)
Hi Serina, beautiful name- Welcome! - Trivium Academy 20:49 Jun 26 (1)
- Re: Hi Serina, beautiful name- Welcome! - serina 21:30 Jun 26 (0)
First of all...Welcome!!!! (more) - Dayle in Guatemala 20:24 Jun 26 (0)
Well be sure to attend your state's homeschool convention, as most of them are in the summer. Then connect with your local group and find people of... - OhElizabeth 20:12 Jun 26 (0)

Bob Jones English - Do the older Teacher's Editions go w/ the new workbooks? TIA - Mel 18:50 Jun 26 (2)

No - the product was completely redone. nt - Heather in VA 19:14 Jun 26 (1)
- thanks!! :0) nt - mel 19:39 Jun 26 (0)

For dog owners... - Amy in AZ 18:01 Jun 26 (2)

You might check out Dispoz-A-Scoop instead of a scoop. I'd get them a supply at Petsmart. nt - flpeggy 18:16 Jun 26 (0)
We put the scooper in a bucket with a plastic bag in it-nt - hpymomof3 18:07 Jun 26 (0)

Has anyone used Civilisation, by Kenneth Clark, as a supplement? X-post on high school board (m) - Laura in China 17:51 Jun 26 (6)

Another good one is The Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski... - Jenny in Atl 19:09 Jun 26 (1)
- I remember that being on TV too. I'll look into it. Thanks (nt) - Laura in China 20:00 Jun 26 (0)
I know I will.. still have the bk from the series and have been searching for the videos or dvds if they are out there! nt - Jenny in Atl 18:01 Jun 26 (3)
- Of cource! Amazon uk! - Jenny in Atl 18:02 Jun 26 (2)
  - Watch out for the DVD encoding - you probably know this - Laura in China 18:15 Jun 26 (1)
    - Yes, I had a bunch of German movies converted a couple years ago.. much fun... nt - Jenny in Atl 18:23 Jun 26 (0)

Time Travelers History Units - momof5 17:46 Jun 26 (2)

I am using them.. - Tina in WA 18:29 Jun 26 (0)
they sure look awfully nice, don't they? - Nicole M 17:53 Jun 26 (0)

Those who have used Noeo Science (Biology II) - Sam in WA 17:34 Jun 26 (1)

We'll finish Noeo Bio 2 next week... - Sue in St Pete 19:25 Jun 26 (0)

FloridaLisa... Question for you... - saved1112 17:23 Jun 26 (1)

Re: FloridaLisa... Question for you... - FloridaLisa 19:46 Jun 26 (0)

I'm planning out our SOTW2 history schedule...Several questions inside - - LNC 17:04 Jun 26 (1)

It depends.... - TarponGirl 18:26 Jun 26 (0)

LA for 6th grade boy who'd rather chase rabbits ... ideas? - Cheri in MN 16:06 Jun 26 (6)

I am doing Literary Lessons from LOTRs with my son b/c he hates reading but loves LOTRs. hth nt - momof7 17:06 Jun 26 (0)
Re: LA for 6th grade boy who'd rather chase rabbits ... ideas? - six meadows 16:48 Jun 26 (4)
- small world! - Cheri in MN 17:05 Jun 26 (3)
  - Too funny! (m) - TarponGirl 18:33 Jun 26 (2)
    - I was in Texas 5 years and moved back to the Metro last fall! nm - Carmen & Co. 19:43 Jun 26 (1)
      - I lived in the Lakes Area of Minnesota most of my life until 2005 when we moved to Guatemala! Loved it, miss it terribly sometimes!!!nt - Dayle in Guatemala 20:26 Jun 26 (0)

Those who left Latin for Children for Latin Prep (or another program).....Why?nt - Mandyd 16:00 Jun 26 (6)

Finished through LFC B. Too little application of previously learned grammar concepts and vocabulary. nt - Mary in GA 20:40 Jun 26 (0)
We left 3/4ths way through the 1st book... - Anita 17:40 Jun 26 (2)
- This was our experience as well, maybe we should try Latin Prep - Chris in CA 19:51 Jun 26 (0)
- JFYI, My kids ages were 10 & 12 when we started LP...nt. - Anita 17:42 Jun 26 (0)
The DVD was too fast for us. We watched maybe three lessons. nt - Cindyg 17:18 Jun 26 (0)
It was too ambitious for us - perhap I started it too early but it was too much and WAY too fast tn - HollyDay 16:53 Jun 26 (0)

Jean's post about Startwrite below reminded me -- has anyone figured out how to save the download to disc? - Nicole M 15:45 Jun 26 (0)

opinions on Van Loons Story of Mankind - hsm 14:56 Jun 26 (5)

I think it could be mixed in with SOTW in both logic and grammar stage... - Betty 18:06 Jun 26 (3)
- Do you do mostly reading for history? Do you do any written work?.... - Rhondabee 18:36 Jun 26 (2)
  - No we do projects and writing.. - Betty 19:42 Jun 26 (1)
    - Thank you! "My plans are still in flux", too!.... - Rhondabee 22:28 Jun 26 (0)
how old are your children? - Nicole M 15:36 Jun 26 (0)

SOTW 3 Did you use the activity book ? Should I buy it - Classic Mom 14:45 Jun 26 (6)

We've used it the last 2 years, and I bought it for this upcoming year (m) - threelops 16:26 Jun 26 (0)
Re: SOTW 3 Did you use the activity book ? Should I buy it - Alison in KY 15:50 Jun 26 (0)
We used every part of it.... - WTMindy 15:38 Jun 26 (1)
- Ditto. It's worth every penny. nt - Sue in St Pete 19:42 Jun 26 (0)
I agree with asking yourself the questions Jessica said. We DO have it and use it! I like having that resource nt - Mom2LegoManiacs 15:35 Jun 26 (0)
What else would you use? - Trivium Academy 14:51 Jun 26 (0)

English for the thoughtful child...Is this out now? I have an old WTM book more - Classic Mom 14:43 Jun 26 (7)

I have both. I never used EFFTC. I was so glad when FLL came out! - Carol in Cal. 19:35 Jun 26 (0)
We used EFTTC and enjoyed it...m - dangermom 16:51 Jun 26 (2)
- Yes, my boys would have that it was "dumb". They aren't into bunnies-well dead ones, maybe! nt - Karie 17:55 Jun 26 (0)
- LOL. I have to agree with the girly comment. nt - SPH 17:42 Jun 26 (0)
We have and use EFTTC books one and two. - SPH 16:03 Jun 26 (0)
I think I remember reading somewhere... - Karen K. in Tx 15:37 Jun 26 (0)
People still use it, but....m - Julieofsardis 14:48 Jun 26 (0)

How important is CREATIVE WRITING in early elementary? - 10Acres 14:14 Jun 26 (24)

The only creative writing my dc did was what they wanted to do. I found it was frustrating for my kids to try to learn to write when they didn't have the tools yet (grammar, spelling, etc.)nt - Dayle in Guatemala 20:29 Jun 26 (0)
My kids only do creative writing if they want to! nt - momof7 17:37 Jun 26 (2)
- Same here. nt - KPM 18:27 Jun 26 (1)
  - Ditto! nm - Carmen & Co 20:25 Jun 26 (0)
Not at all.... - Ellie 16:28 Jun 26 (1)
- I agree or should say agreed until I studies the 5th edition of Spalding's WRTR. However I am highly interested in your opinion on this (m) - Hope in Canada 21:24 Jun 26 (0)
The more I teach writing, the more my child wants to do writing.... - Rebecca in VA 16:25 Jun 26 (1)
- Hijack (m) - Laura in China 18:41 Jun 26 (0)
I think it can give a child a bad attitude towards it.... - siloam 16:23 Jun 26 (1)
- Yes, the paradigm shift -- well worth the investment, imho. nt - Sweetpeach 16:47 Jun 26 (0)
Our creative writing consists of journal entries 3x a week ... that's it! nt - Cheri in MN 16:08 Jun 26 (0)
I think it is ridiculous the amount of "free" writing that is required in schools (m) - angela in ohio 15:48 Jun 26 (1)
- And... (m) - angela in ohio 15:51 Jun 26 (0)
For me, not at all. (m) - Plaid Dad 15:43 Jun 26 (0)
I had an interesting experience talking with a 2nd grade school teacher this past year... - OhElizabeth 15:27 Jun 26 (1)
- Recognizing that ps 2nd grade teachers are not created equal... - SPH 16:30 Jun 26 (0)
Well, I think that the subjects you mention (informative, newspaper writing, editing and revision) fall beyond "creative writing", and are just plain "writing"... - Kay in Cal 15:11 Jun 26 (0)
Focus on the basics. If a child wants to do creative writing they will on their own. - Trivium Academy 14:58 Jun 26 (0)
*IF* creative writing is important to you, - Sweetpeach 14:52 Jun 26 (0)
I avoid it like the plague. I think it's way overrated. nt - Ria 14:39 Jun 26 (1)
- I'd have to agree NT - Lh 15:17 Jun 26 (0)
My personal opinion.... - TarponGirl 14:37 Jun 26 (0)
About as important as creative drawing. . . - Julie in Austin 14:28 Jun 26 (0)
I don't think its that important. I leave it up to my DC. They keep summer journals, write letters and funny stories/poems but none if required. nt - Daisy 14:16 Jun 26 (0)

If you use the progym (CW or CC or whatever) for writing, do you also do cross-curricular writing?.... - Rhondabee 14:14 Jun 26 (3)

My plan is the same as Stephanie's. nt - Pensguys 19:07 Jun 26 (0)
Only occasionally (m) - Stephanie not in TX 15:50 Jun 26 (1)
- Thank you! Think my schedule needs some tweaking (again!) nt - Rhondabee 18:29 Jun 26 (0)

If you're using both SOTW and Hakim's History of US, could you please share..... - Rhondabee 14:11 Jun 26 (15)

Getting ready to use both next year...here is how. - Cheryl B in VA 21:29 Jun 26 (1)
- TY! That was one of my concerns.... - Rhondabee 22:43 Jun 26 (0)
I am using Paulas with VP Cards and I have added the United Streaming matching videos. I will soon have this all typed out- I will be happy to share- I have a 4th & 7th so I will modify either direction - Classic Mom 19:10 Jun 26 (2)
- I have 4th and 7th too! Please send it.... - Rhondabee 22:35 Jun 26 (0)
- oooh, I'd love to see it! email enclosed. Thanks! - OKCyndi 20:59 Jun 26 (0)
We use SOTW as our spine and .... - WTMindy 15:41 Jun 26 (3)
- Re: We use SOTW as our spine and .... - Rhondabee 16:54 Jun 26 (2)
  - Yes, we do..... - WTMindy 22:16 Jun 26 (1)
    - Thanks! How old are your dc? Mine are 4th and 7th. nt - Rhondabee 22:53 Jun 26 (0)
Have you looked at Paula's Archives... and my own request for help. - Deb in NC 14:57 Jun 26 (1)
- Yes, and yes, I too am scared I will try to cram too much into a schedule.... - Rhondabee 16:46 Jun 26 (0)
Not much to share... - MIch elle 14:48 Jun 26 (3)
- Can you use the IEW History Based lessons w/o using IEW? nt - Rhondabee 16:37 Jun 26 (2)
  - You mean w/o the IEW TWSS or the SWI?... - MIch elle 18:45 Jun 26 (1)
    - I have never seen any of the IEW.... - Rhondabee 18:57 Jun 26 (0)

My child speaks so rapidly that many cannot understand him. Even I have to ask him to repeat things often. How can I get him to slow down?? - BarbLA 14:07 Jun 26 (7)

I was the same when I was that age and so is one of my sons who is so like me - Dawn K 21:11 Jun 26 (0)
What if you recorded him speaking? -m - Kathie in VA 19:11 Jun 26 (0)
I agree w/ Mandy-- I see it in my kids.. but I was the same way (single child) as a child... - Corb 18:58 Jun 26 (0)
My oldest ds did this...to the point he would stutter... - Mom of 4 18:45 Jun 26 (0)
Where in the birth order does this child fall?(m) - Manyd 16:11 Jun 26 (2)
- He is the youngest. He does everything, and I mean everything fast! - BarbLA 18:17 Jun 26 (0)
- Very Funny - this is a description of my youngest (nt) - Coffee Bean 17:01 Jun 26 (0)

Would you keep curriculum resources for 5 years for a second child, or sell now and buy again later? - Hannah 14:07 Jun 26 (7)

I keep -- but I also keep for the grandchildren :) - Dawn K 21:12 Jun 26 (0)
My kids are all 7 school years apart. - Praisefor3 20:35 Jun 26 (0)
I kept all my older dd's stuff (that I liked) and I'm very glad I did so... - Jenny in Atl 17:25 Jun 26 (0)
I sold stuff at a used curriculum fair this yr.....it was my first time selling anything in my 13 yrs of homeschooling!! - momof7 17:23 Jun 26 (0)
It depends on how much storage space you have... - mom2abcd 16:05 Jun 26 (0)
I hate buying and selling... - Susan in TN 15:18 Jun 26 (0)
SOTW, yes. Singapore, only if I was going to go ahead & buy the consummables. Too much can change in 5yrs. nt - Daisy 14:15 Jun 26 (0)

Knowledge Quests maps - worth the money? Which format did you buy? TIA! nt - OKCyndi 14:07 Jun 26 (0)

karenciavo, Thank you for the explanation! I saved the link. nt - tink1234 14:07 Jun 26 (0)

Could anyone compare Sonlight LA with LLATL for me? - Scottie 13:59 Jun 26 (2)

Well, I've used LLATL for quite a few years now...(m) - Dayle in Guatemala 20:59 Jun 26 (0)
Any comments? n/t - Scottie 18:36 Jun 26 (0)

Does anyone cut bindings off of paperback textbooks like Saxon? - tink1234 13:56 Jun 26 (3)

We cut and 3-hole punch nearly all our bound workbooks, except SOTW text. But... - earlybird mom 21:15 Jun 26 (0)
Bound would be better than 3 hole! I did the 3 hole and too many things got lost! Just a thought - classic Mom 14:21 Jun 26 (1)
- I agree with that - I have had some of my books spiral bound & love it! nt - mel 21:19 Jun 26 (0)

How do you know when it is time to "farm out?" - Angela in NC 13:53 Jun 26 (10)

With our family lifestyle and vision right now we do not "farm out" - Dawn K 21:16 Jun 26 (0)
I've farmed out piano (but maybe that's not academic?) from the beginning since I have NO music education (m) - Sue in St Pete 19:51 Jun 26 (0)
I am a definite outsourcer, but not until high school. - momof7 17:09 Jun 26 (1)
- My senior in high school oursourced last year. - Corb 19:02 Jun 26 (0)
You may also want to farm out if you time to study ahead and oversee becomes limited... - GVA 15:32 Jun 26 (0)
Why do your cornies farm out? ? - Lh 15:18 Jun 26 (0)
My oldest DD started taking writing classes online in 6th because I don't feel comfortable teaching it at the upper levels... - akmommy 14:43 Jun 26 (0)
I agree with Ria! Only farm out when your experience is in doubt! A mother is the best teacher! - Classic Mom 14:22 Jun 26 (0)
For me, it was when dd wanted to experience someone else as an instructor. - Lolly 13:57 Jun 26 (0)
Are you comfortable teaching all the subjects? If so, you are fine. (m) - Ria 13:57 Jun 26 (0)

Which manipulatives do I need for Singapore 1A/B and 3A/B (m) - AnneJ 13:40 Jun 26 (5)

Thanks. I totally missed the thread further down the board. (nt) - AnneJ 18:44 Jun 26 (0)
Did you see... - Karen K. in Tx 15:30 Jun 26 (0)
Re: Which manipulatives do I need for Singapore 1A/B and 3A/B (m) - captuhura 15:23 Jun 26 (0)
I have gotten by with only... - profmom 15:01 Jun 26 (0)
I never used nor needed any. nt - Ria 13:52 Jun 26 (0)

I'm trying to remember the name of a newish general book about Christian homeschooling... - Carol in Cal. 13:37 Jun 26 (2)

Educating the Whole-Hearted Child? - mom2abcd 16:08 Jun 26 (1)
- Yes! Thank you!! (Newish to me...).nt - Carol in Cal. 17:44 Jun 26 (0)

How do you schedule Prima Latina? - Hannah 13:33 Jun 26 (1)

scheduling - Old Dominion Heather 15:55 Jun 26 (0)

New to homeschooling. Have a school space question... - iowamom 13:27 Jun 26 (21)

Also in Iowa.... - earlybird mom 21:18 Jun 26 (0)
Plan for the long term... - Tracie in TX 20:55 Jun 26 (0)
Thanks so much for the replies! - iowamom 19:48 Jun 26 (0)
Our homeschool room was downstairs so I could cook & listen to kids do lessons nt - Corb 19:05 Jun 26 (0)
Here is ours.. hope this works.. - Jenny in Atl 17:40 Jun 26 (4)
- I guess not :-( - jenny in Atl 17:45 Jun 26 (3)
  - it *does* work if you copy and paste the addresses! Totally cool. Thanks! nt - Nicole M 17:49 Jun 26 (2)
    - LOL! I made a quick blog for the pics.. - Jenny in Atl 17:58 Jun 26 (1)
      - Jenny-- ??? for ya... - Corb 19:04 Jun 26 (0)
I'm sorry to hijack this thread, but ladies, please, it's killing me! Post some pictures of these spaces, I beg you! - Nicole M 17:13 Jun 26 (0)
We moved last year, and the new house... - Heather 16:55 Jun 26 (1)
- This is a confirmation for me. We were house hunting yesterday (m) - Vanna 17:57 Jun 26 (0)
We built our house before we started homeschooling... - OhElizabeth 15:53 Jun 26 (0)
Another vote for the main floor - Chris in VA 15:39 Jun 26 (0)
Re: New to homeschooling. Have a school space question... - Susan in TN 15:28 Jun 26 (0)
We have our schoolroom (m) - Hoggirl 15:20 Jun 26 (0)
school space - tess at the beach 14:53 Jun 26 (0)
Ours is in our daylight basement but if I had my ideal it would be off the kitchen. nt - akmommy 14:47 Jun 26 (0)
I have a room being completed now downstairs, but I assume school will take place in many areas. more - Classic Mom 14:24 Jun 26 (0)
I prefer having ours downstairs because (m) - DB in NJ 13:35 Jun 26 (0)
Looking for your thoughts (not thougts!) nt - iowamom 13:30 Jun 26 (0)

Tentative plans for 3rd and 4th grader. I'd love input. (m) - hopscotch 12:26 Jun 26 (5)

Imitation in Writing has been a good stepping stone for us (m) - Vanna 18:02 Jun 26 (2)
- I'm glad you mentioned this. I had thought about getting Imitations in Writing before, but forgot about it. I think I may do that. Thanks! nm - hopscotch 18:28 Jun 26 (1)
  - No prob! You're welcome! Hope it works out for you. nt - Vanna 21:09 Jun 26 (0)
Looks good. About the spelling... - Dayle in Guatemala 12:36 Jun 26 (1)
- Thanks, Dayle! I've read a lot of your posts and I really value your opinion. nm - hopscotch 18:20 Jun 26 (0)

Did you find 1st language lessons level 3 - K 12:19 Jun 26 (1)

FLL is great. FLL 3 isn't out yet. -nt - Kathie in VA 19:15 Jun 26 (0)

Please share favorite timeline figures resource(s). nt - angela&4boys 12:11 Jun 26 (8)

Thank you ladies! (nt) - angela&4boys 18:27 Jun 26 (0)
I loved Homeschool in the woods but dd doesn't really like to color. I found free ones done by someone on this board at lulu. Anyone remember who that was? nt - Chris in VA 15:42 Jun 26 (1)
- My files (see below) were on Lulu briefly (nt) - Hannah 21:48 Jun 26 (0)
I made my own timeline and SOTW1 and SOTW2 figures - here's a link - Hannah 13:37 Jun 26 (2)
- Did I miss the link somehow? nt - OKCyndi 14:07 Jun 26 (1)
  - Oops. Trying again... - Hannah 14:09 Jun 26 (0)
Homeschool in the Woods hands down... nt - Corb 12:44 Jun 26 (1)
- Agree.....nt - Julieofsardis 14:10 Jun 26 (0)

HANDWRITING HELP! - Janet M. 12:00 Jun 26 (6)

What made the biggest difference here... - erica 13:09 Jun 26 (0)
Startwrite Software - Jean in Wisc. 12:39 Jun 26 (1)
- Or, alternatively, Educational Fontware. - Cindyg 17:23 Jun 26 (0)
Dealing with handwriting issues too - slant board (m) - Coffee Bean 12:35 Jun 26 (0)
Re: HANDWRITING HELP! - Sue G 12:26 Jun 26 (0)
HWOT does work for a number of struggling writers. It (m) - Tammyla 12:07 Jun 26 (0)

Need a little help with teaching math (Saxon 1). Rookie question. sm - Liz in NC 11:36 Jun 26 (3)

Thank You!! We'll keep moving on! nt - Liz in NC 12:57 Jun 26 (0)
Keep plugging along :o) (m) - threelops 12:44 Jun 26 (0)
Ha! I thought the same thing, and bored poor ds out of his mind! - aubrey 11:49 Jun 26 (0)

AAS users - can you tell me more about your week? - 10Acres 11:30 Jun 26 (1)

Here goes... - CindyP 14:58 Jun 26 (0)

Horizons Math - can you use old TM edition with new workbooks? - 10Acres 10:45 Jun 26 (6)

NO!!!!!! I just did this and it does not work....m - Sandy Redding 11:58 Jun 26 (3)
- I have never had any problems. I don't use the TM for k-2, but have purchased student bks over and over for the last 10 yrs w/o having a problem with the TMs. - momof7 13:12 Jun 26 (0)
- oops, just bought one, LOL. but... - 10Acres 12:18 Jun 26 (0)
- I agree! *Most* of the problems for the 4th grade are the same, but not all of them. - Michele in MN 12:04 Jun 26 (0)
The only thing that has changed is the cover, the inside is still the same. You can buy them used very cheap ($5-9) on amazon, just make sure that you search by isbn number so that you know that it's the right book. nt - DawnUK 10:48 Jun 26 (1)
- Thanks! Just what I needed to know! nt. - 10Acres 11:18 Jun 26 (0)

Does anyone else struggle with feeling you are doing too much or not enough? ... - Deece in MN 10:42 Jun 26 (9)

I walk this tightrope and have absolutely no advice for you. Sorry. nt - Sue in St Pete 20:07 Jun 26 (0)
Thanks, ladies! I am feeling better now. I made through my little panic attack and am actually getting a fair amount accomplished. I appreciate the support :) nt - Deece in MN 14:37 Jun 26 (0)
frequently!!! But no solutions. tn - HollyDay 13:47 Jun 26 (1)
- Same, but if someone stumbles over the answer to this ever-constant issue, please inform us asap. nt - Sweetpeach 14:40 Jun 26 (0)
How about a little of both? Structure the core subjects and use your relaxed planning for the others. - Tammyla 12:03 Jun 26 (0)
Re: Does anyone else struggle with feeling you are doing too much or not enough? ... - sadie 11:59 Jun 26 (0)
Yes!! too much & too little, all at the same time. - 10Acres 11:27 Jun 26 (2)
- Sounds just like me!!! LOL nt - Mel 21:21 Jun 26 (0)
- ditto! - Jenny in Atl 11:56 Jun 26 (0)

CLE and Alpha Omega - the same thing? - Polly 10:40 Jun 26 (4)

CLE Sunrise edition is an excellent, well put together program. I think AO is one of the worst.(nt) - Tami 18:54 Jun 26 (0)
No, they are not the same... - Ellie 13:43 Jun 26 (0)
The older edition of CLE was an almost exact replica of Alpha Omega lifepacs... - DeeinFL 11:28 Jun 26 (0)
The new Sunrise editions are not Alpha Omega! I would only recommend the Sunrise Editions which are available!(m) - Elm in NJ 10:50 Jun 26 (0)

I *want* to love TOG... - imeverywoman 10:39 Jun 26 (6)

Re: I *want* to love TOG... - Laura in OK 15:28 Jun 26 (0)
You don't have to!! It's not for everybody. If you're not up to it now, return it for refund withing 30 days! (more) - Kris 14:36 Jun 26 (2)
- I wanted to love it too -m - Kathie in VA 19:24 Jun 26 (0)
- Ohhhh!!! Board fairy strikes again!!! - imeverywoman 15:26 Jun 26 (0)
Give it time--When I looked at it earlier this year I felt the same way. - Closeacademy 12:04 Jun 26 (0)
This is what I am doing... (m) - Laura in OH 11:55 Jun 26 (0)

So I placed a CLE order at the Anabaptist website--how long should it take to arrive? - Julie in CA 10:32 Jun 26 (1)

I don't order from that website anymore because he is rather slow... - DeeinFL 10:39 Jun 26 (0)

OK, after all the talk about TOG, I finally went to their website. I must say I was surprised by the number of great Catholic titles - momof7 10:10 Jun 26 (5)

Re: OK, after all the talk about TOG, I finally went to their website. I must say I was surprised by the number of great Catholic titles - Debbie B 10:34 Jun 26 (4)
- Link to TOG-Catholic yahoogroup inside - LisaWA 10:42 Jun 26 (3)
  - I am having difficulty getting the page to load. I have a few questions if you can answer...... - momof7 13:00 Jun 26 (2)
    - Re: I am having difficulty getting the page to load. I have a few questions if you can answer...... - Des 16:11 Jun 26 (0)
    - I did finally get it to load. I would still love answers to my questions though! ;) - momof7 13:10 Jun 26 (0)

CLE users-Do you need the TM for the 100 levels to teach the concepts? On the sample website, it looks like the MATH 100 levels are formatted differently from the other levels (more) - MamaPapa 9:52 Jun 26 (2)

I needed it for the math 100 but not for the others! In light unit 101-106(or 107), the story problems are all in the TG(m) - Elm in NJ 10:05 Jun 26 (0)
I should stress that I'm just talking about the math here! nt - MamaPapa 9:53 Jun 26 (0)

Best place to buy Rosetta Stone Spanish? TIA - Mel 9:47 Jun 26 (3)

Homeschool buyers co-op - Sheri 19:19 Jun 26 (0)
if your library doesn't have it then.. - crystal 13:29 Jun 26 (0)
Check your library first, more and more libraries are starting to carry this. -nt - Kathie in Va 10:09 Jun 26 (0)

Jessica of TA, what is the book you are using for daily math practice/warm-up? (m) - Babymacsmama 9:39 Jun 26 (2)

Daily Mental Math and it is at rainbowresource.com, I have Grade 2. - Trivium Academy 9:58 Jun 26 (1)
- Thank you!-nt - Babymacsmama 10:10 Jun 26 (0)

Looking for (free) Independence Day online resources/activities for elementary ages. TIA! (nt) - Becky in IA 9:21 Jun 26 (7)

Also check Homeschooling.About.com (nt) - Julie in MN 17:55 Jun 26 (0)
Homeschool eStore has a freebie today too - K&R's Mom 11:09 Jun 26 (1)
- The freebie is perfect! Thanks a lot! (nt) - Becky in IA 14:41 Jun 26 (0)
here's a link with a bit of both-m - Ann in WA 11:06 Jun 26 (1)
- Thanks Ann, great activities here! (nt) - Becky in IA 14:43 Jun 26 (0)
virtual fireworks from PBS (link only) - K&R's Mom 11:05 Jun 26 (0)
Are you looking for fun things or more historical? nt - Ann in WA 11:03 Jun 26 (0)

Looking for poster named GEO who's selling AAS (m) - ladyinsocal 9:20 Jun 26 (0)

Classical Writing vs. Writing Tales AND Memoria Press CopyBooks - Linda...inOwasso 9:11 Jun 26 (3)

I have level II and III copywork books from MP --- - Sweetpeach 18:08 Jun 26 (1)
- Wow... thanks Sweetpeach! I appreciate the helpful tip! nt. - Linda...inOwasso 21:05 Jun 26 (0)
I don't have practical experience with CW or WT but I have ordered and previewed both and I'm going with WT for now with my dd7. m - samba 11:28 Jun 26 (0)

Any suggestions for a good spelling program for the computer? (m) - Mom to 3 island boys 9:09 Jun 26 (3)

I love Calvert's Spelling Mastery (the new ones). nt - KyTriplets 16:31 Jun 26 (0)
Dr Aardsmas Spelling drill sw, and Spell It Delux -nt - Kathie in Va 10:30 Jun 26 (0)
I hear Calvert is a great one. And Spellingtime.com is free ( think they are down for the summer) but, its great too! nt - Johanna 10:16 Jun 26 (0)

Rod & Staff Bible and Bible versions... - Laura in CT 9:09 Jun 26 (3)

What we did... - mom2abcd 10:49 Jun 26 (0)
Re: Rod & Staff Bible and Bible versions... - Beth in TN 10:18 Jun 26 (1)
- I agree. It's good to use the KJV with the workbooks even if you normally don't use it... - Rebecca in VA 11:39 Jun 26 (0)

how to get an 11 yr old to concentrate? - HollyDay 9:00 Jun 26 (12)

My daughter is an easily disstracted child and when we need to we pull out the one-legged stool. - Michelle near Mt. Rainier 21:53 Jun 26 (0)
My ds just hated the math text. (m) - liz 20:11 Jun 26 (0)
I like the accountability time ideas. I've tried everything else! nt - HollyDay 13:35 Jun 26 (0)
Oh my, sounds like you were in my house today! -m - Kathie in VA 10:18 Jun 26 (1)
- never mind, that won't work either -m - Kathie in VA 11:32 Jun 26 (0)
I tried all kind of help and sympathy for my son - Laura in China 9:31 Jun 26 (1)
- "....kinds..." nt - Laura in China 9:48 Jun 26 (0)
A couple of suggestions - Susan in TN 9:18 Jun 26 (0)
Does the time of day make a difference? (m) - Laura in OH 9:07 Jun 26 (2)
- no,, time of day seems to have not impact nn - HollyDAy 13:35 Jun 26 (0)
- I recommend this as well....m - Patricia in ATL (another GPG member) 10:16 Jun 26 (0)
Here's what I do... - Rocking Horse 9:06 Jun 26 (0)

Does anyone have a link or info on the different methods of hs'ing? - paradise 9:00 Jun 26 (2)

This is the best site I've come across for information about homeschooling. - Trivium Academy 9:04 Jun 26 (1)
- Thanks so much! nt - paradise 9:08 Jun 26 (0)

books to accompany SOTW3? - TulaneMama 8:57 Jun 26 (2)

Will you be using SOTW-3 as your spine?.... - Karen K. in Tx 11:03 Jun 26 (1)
- Re: Will you be using SOTW-3 as your spine?.... - TulaneMama 20:16 Jun 26 (0)

POLL: 2nd grade science--what are must-have books? (for earth sc. acc'd to WTM) nt - aubrey 8:30 Jun 26 (3)

I think you already know what books we're using but here's Earth Science & Astronomy copywork if you want. - Trivium Academy 9:37 Jun 26 (2)
- Actually, I've been looking at your blog all morning & was hoping to hear from you... - aubrey 10:00 Jun 26 (1)
  - Here they are inside. - Trivium Academy 11:20 Jun 26 (0)

Any thoughts about Progency Press literature guides? Are they worth the money? And, if you have ever used any, how do they compare to those Teacher Created Resources literature units? Thanks! - Janie 8:26 Jun 26 (4)

They are wonderful and well worth the money - Dawn K 21:19 Jun 26 (0)
They are worth the money... - DeeinFL 10:43 Jun 26 (0)
For what grade/age? I've used... - OhElizabeth 9:13 Jun 26 (1)
- Your description "VP tends to have a lot of writing, PP christian thought, MBP creativity" is so helpful. Thanks! (nt) - Janie 9:30 Jun 26 (0)

Will someone explain Classical Conversations to me? I have a 4th grader. Thanks! nt - Kisa in CA 8:00 Jun 26 (7)

So I just email the California contact to see if there is a co-op near me? nt - Kisa in CA 12:52 Jun 26 (2)
- Yes. The website isn't entirely up-to-date right now, and some groups are still being worked out. nt - GVA 15:34 Jun 26 (1)
  - Done! Thanks everyone. nt - Kisa in CA 16:17 Jun 26 (0)
I'm a tutor... - GVA 12:27 Jun 26 (0)
Kathie gave a great explanation (m) - April in VA 10:53 Jun 26 (0)
sure I'll try -m - Kathie in VA 8:54 Jun 26 (0)
I'll try, but hopefully Cyndi in OK is around as she could do a better job! - Linda...inOwasso 8:51 Jun 26 (0)

IEW users: Do the VHS tapes contain the same material as the dvds? m... - Kelly 7:36 Jun 26 (1)

Re: IEW users: Do the VHS tapes contain the same material as the dvds? m... - Kathy in NC 16:07 Jun 26 (0)

For Those Using a LATIN-CENTERED curriculum..... - Linda...inOwasso 7:31 Jun 26 (13)

You learn lots of English grammar just by doing Latin; however, I have found it is a HUGE help when child understands English parts of speech and basic sentence structure. (more) - Kris 14:40 Jun 26 (0)
We're pretty Latin-y around here.... - Susan in SoCal 13:24 Jun 26 (0)
I have debated this myself (m) - Anne Marie 12:34 Jun 26 (0)
I started with only CW and LFC.. - Dee in MI 11:12 Jun 26 (0)
How it works for us - Closeacademy 8:39 Jun 26 (0)
You just have to figure out what your philosophy is (m) - Stephanie not in TX 8:14 Jun 26 (6)
- Stephanie NOT in Texas and GVA... which Latin do you use? & for what grade of student? nt. - Linda...inOwasso 9:15 Jun 26 (5)
  - Answer... - GVA 15:49 Jun 26 (0)
  - LOL, you might be sorry you asked (m) - Stephanie not in TX 10:12 Jun 26 (3)
    - Curiosity gets the cat.... - Susan in SoCal 13:33 Jun 26 (2)
      - Re: Curiosity gets the cat.... - Stephanie not in TX 16:00 Jun 26 (1)
        
        Well, if you get it... - Susan in SoCal 19:38 Jun 26 (0)
I still believe in English grammar... - GVA 7:57 Jun 26 (0)

having an anxiety attack about science!! and history!!! - squirrel/fish mom 7:17 Jun 26 (2)

Beautiful Feet for history? nm - HollyDay 8:57 Jun 26 (0)
Well... - Dayle in Guatemala 8:09 Jun 26 (0)

TOG........would you purchase it for one 1st grader. Here is my schedule (I would appreciate your help)........would it be worth revising to use it? thanks - Amber 7:00 Jun 26 (8)

TOG - baseballmom 14:46 Jun 26 (0)
Re: TOG........would you purchase it for one 1st grader. Here is my schedule (I would appreciate your help)........would it be worth revising to use it? thanks - Laura in OK 9:24 Jun 26 (0)
If you like SOTW, why not just do it in order? Get the AG for it and just do it. You don't need TOG for that. (spoken as the mother of only one who's been there) nt - OhElizabeth 9:18 Jun 26 (0)
If I knew I wanted to use it for later stages I would definitely buy it.... - WTMindy 8:21 Jun 26 (0)
I used it with my first grader this past year and we are moving on to Yr 2 for this coming school year... - KerriF 7:50 Jun 26 (0)
Re: TOG........would you purchase it for one 1st grader. Here is my schedule (I would appreciate your help)........would it be worth revising to use it? thanks - LisaWA 7:18 Jun 26 (0)
I used it with a 1st grader and we really enjoyed it.....m - Pensguys 7:05 Jun 26 (0)
Re: Please don't look at all those little "a" with the carrot above them.......I don't know what that is. nt - Amber 7:01 Jun 26 (0)

Penguys: I ordered TOG year 2 redesign last week and received a working reading list today so I can plan for book purchases. nt - r 6:50 Jun 26 (7)

My list came yesterday! Im not using year 2 this year... but it was fun to look at! *Ü* nt - LisaWA 7:19 Jun 26 (0)
Oh, great, thanks!!!! I just need to call about the Map Aids. nt - Pensguys 7:06 Jun 26 (5)
- Yes... and can you pass the word along when you hear back? Would love to know. *Ü* nt - LisaWa 7:21 Jun 26 (4)
  - Okay, I just called and Debbie asked Maggie who said..... - Pensguys 8:09 Jun 26 (3)
    - Yes! Please do..... I spoke with Julie in the office sm - LisaWA 8:43 Jun 26 (2)
      - Okay, I just got word from Dana on the TOG boards....m - Pensguys 8:52 Jun 26 (1)
        
        Cool beans! Thanks..... *Ü* nt - LisaWA 8:58 Jun 26 (0)

Excel; I'm w/ Brenda. I'm trying to figure it out. Are there templets I can use download and alter for lesson plans? nt - Corb 6:32 Jun 26 (5)

Have you seen this? (m) - MoniMoni 11:45 Jun 26 (0)
I am more than willing to send you mine and chat with you on how to make changes to fit you...m - Rhonda in WA 9:21 Jun 26 (1)
- I have one in word also...here it is - Rhonda in WA 10:11 Jun 26 (0)
Someone posted this last week... - mom2abcd 7:10 Jun 26 (1)
- I posted it. To clarify, the book is to teach you how to use excel, but does not teach how to set up lesson plans. nt - Zee 7:13 Jun 26 (0)

How long does your 5th grader spend on school? - ChristyX5 6:09 Jun 26 (7)

Some days as little as three, while others as much as six. Depended on what we were doing and outside classes.nt - Jenny in Atl 11:59 Jun 26 (0)
Mine with be 5th-ish next year. I think he'll have about 4.5 hours of actual "work" each day . . . - Jenny in Florida 8:23 Jun 26 (0)
I sure think it is! *Ü* nt - LisaWA 7:22 Jun 26 (0)
7 hours - but she starts earlier so everyone finishes at the same time. nt - Melissa B 7:20 Jun 26 (0)
I think this is very reasonable. I am planning....sm - Zee 7:11 Jun 26 (0)
We start early and finish at noon... - Tami 6:30 Jun 26 (0)
That sounds very reasonable - Laura in China 6:12 Jun 26 (0)

Heather in VA-- it's just amazing the things one misses while taking a board break, lol! (m) - Virginia Heather 5:47 Jun 26 (2)

Well excited is probably an overstatement :-)... - Heather in VA 8:08 Jun 26 (1)
- "The plan of the week" sure seems to be the norm sometimes, doesn't it??! (m) - Virginia Heather 8:58 Jun 26 (0)

Pensacola, FL homeschool conference in Aug - HollyDay 5:47 Jun 26 (3)

How can I find out more about this? I'm just next door. nt - Donna T. 10:22 Jun 26 (1)
- So am I (just next door)! more inside - HollyDay 13:47 Jun 26 (0)
sandy white beaches.....crystal clear water......I might just go!..nt - ldee 6:41 Jun 26 (0)

anyone going to CHEF in Birmingham this weekend? - HollyDay 5:46 Jun 26 (1)

My sister and I are headed up... - Donna T. 10:26 Jun 26 (0)

How do I cancel Aleks???? - Corb 5:32 Jun 26 (1)

Nevermind; when all else fails-ask the 11 yr old boy.. he always figures this stuff out... nt - Corb 5:58 Jun 26 (0)

Evan-Moor's How to Report on a Book grades 1-2, have you used this? Did you/your dc like it? TIA nt - Trivium Academy 5:10 Jun 26 (5)

This is PERFECT, thank you Tami and OhElizabeth! - Trivium Academy 13:52 Jun 26 (0)
VP recommends it and the pages are WONDERFUL. Buy them as a download directly from EM. nt - OhElizabeth 9:20 Jun 26 (0)
This is actually what I would suggest for simple literature analysis... - Tami 5:49 Jun 26 (2)
- Thanks Tami (sm) - Trivium Academy 6:02 Jun 26 (1)
  - Sounds good... - Tami 6:11 Jun 26 (0)

POLL: What is the biggest change you've made in the past year to your "homeschool plan"? - Julie in Monterey 23:30 Jun 25 (46)

Leaving R&S. Doing Analytical Grammar this summer to free time for Latin in the Christian Trivium. nt. - Deborah 18:37 Jun 26 (0)
I made myself a list of 3 catagories,1. MUST DO. 2. WOULD BE NICE, & 3. GRAVY - Fay up North 11:43 Jun 26 (0)
My biggest change is a perspective change. Going to be more relaxed! I am going to stop trying to do "school at home" and i am going to relax and enjoy letting learning be a lifestyle as opposed to a "structured time" and have more fun with dc!!nt - Johanna 10:27 Jun 26 (0)
Just the usual many curriculum changes. nt - Michelle T 9:39 Jun 26 (0)
We are switching to MFW, and our LA will be CW now. We are also adding laitin. - Christina in OR 8:46 Jun 26 (0)
Well, for the first time in years, I will have all 3 dc in different history and science so I won't be teaching them together. But, my two oldest are more independent.nt - Dayle in Guatemala 8:26 Jun 26 (0)
I am emphasizing math and science more - giving more time and attention to both. nt - Zee 8:13 Jun 26 (0)
Simplifying!! Honestly.....I'm gettin' off the conveyor belt and on to real learning. Well, that and co-op :-) (m) - DB in NJ 7:56 Jun 26 (0)
Joining Classical Conversations and reworking some subjects to fit their goals. nt - GVA 7:49 Jun 26 (0)
I'm staying home! Whoot! Whoot! (m) - April in VA 7:40 Jun 26 (0)
Going "digital!"...using the computer for spelling, typing, Spanish, math drill, and even SCRAPBOOKING!....m - Tami 7:24 Jun 26 (1)
- Tami, a couple of questions for you....sm - Zee 8:12 Jun 26 (0)
Going from only one D kid - Lori in tx 7:08 Jun 26 (0)
It would be easier to say what I DIDN'T change... - Heather in MI 7:03 Jun 26 (3)
- Phonetic Zoo Q - profmom 9:39 Jun 26 (2)
  - My ds was in 3rd grade this year and... - Heather in MI 14:55 Jun 26 (1)
    - Interesting! Thanks! I'll take another look at it! nt - profmom 15:20 Jun 26 (0)
Going from Dir. of large coop to Dir of Classical Conversations program... - Laughing Lioness 6:53 Jun 26 (0)
Beginning Latin with Minumus and learning the Greek alphabet with Hey Andrew. Beginning a four year rotation of history via SOTW. R & S to keep me on track with LA. nt - Kimandtheboys 6:15 Jun 26 (0)
Big changes for us (M) - one_l_michele 6:01 Jun 26 (2)
- That sounds like such a fun year! Congrats! :) - OhElizabeth 13:15 Jun 26 (1)
  - Thanks! nt - one_l_michele 14:24 Jun 26 (0)
As my two younger dc move into highschool, I am getting help with 3 subjects... - Michelle in GA 5:52 Jun 26 (0)
We are shifting to a more latin-centered curriculum.. - Stacy with four rugrats 5:38 Jun 26 (0)
Changing LA to fit the model SWB laid out at the conference. Narration will be totally new to us. Adding Latin. nt - Shannon 5:35 Jun 26 (0)
I'll be down to teaching one next year, so I'm tailoring homeschooling specifically for his style. - Jenny in Florida 5:21 Jun 26 (2)
- I must have missed (or forgotten) your announcement. Is your dd going to Mary Baldwin? - momof7 5:50 Jun 26 (1)
  - I'm impressed you remembered! - Jenny in Florida 7:11 Jun 26 (0)
I am outsourcing all of my oldest (at home) schoolager next year, and multi-level teaching several subjects. - momof7 5:11 Jun 26 (3)
- Can I ask how you are outsourcing? Thank you! Amy (nt) - Amy in VA 6:14 Jun 26 (2)
  - We are blessed by having a "homeschool school" near us. Certified teachers teachers - momof7 10:22 Jun 26 (1)
    - That is a blessing! (m) - Amy in VA 11:18 Jun 26 (0)
I added "quiet time" to our afternoon schedule, thanks to SWB's advice at a conference. (m) - Mean Mom 5:05 Jun 26 (3)
- I LOVE doing "quiet time" - Jennifer 5:47 Jun 26 (2)
  - oh yes, this is a must! nt - six meadows 9:09 Jun 26 (1)
    - I wouldnt make it through the day w/o it!! :-) nt - Johanna 10:18 Jun 26 (0)
Having to become both more flexible and more scheduled - Laura in China 4:44 Jun 26 (0)
In the last year: - Closeacademy 4:26 Jun 26 (0)
HUGE! I was planning on CLE LightUnits all the way through starting in first, now I am doing WinterPromise literature-rich, activity-rich Theme Study (nt) - SnowWhite (Jennifer C) 4:18 Jun 26 (0)
Moving to 4-day schedule to 5 day, made the decision to use TOG at some point, decided to learn French bilingually (yes, more inside) - Trivium Academy 4:10 Jun 26 (1)
- Another one, school is to be done by the 12:00 hour Mon-Fri, which means earlier wake-up. : ) nt - Trivium Academy 4:12 Jun 26 (0)
Move from a living book-based science program to a text book-based science program and pick-up Latin. nt - Arch At Home 2:24 Jun 26 (0)
many small changes- biggest may have been to.. - Peela 2:01 Jun 26 (3)
- Peela, can you tell me ... (m) - Stephanie not in TX 8:16 Jun 26 (1)
  - sure.... - Peela 19:38 Jun 26 (0)
- My oldest is set up this way and it is a big plus for us both.... - six meadows 4:09 Jun 26 (0)

Hannah...still looking for a book on Mussorgsky? sm - Lana in TX 22:17 Jun 25 (3)

Not a book, but. have you tried Classics for Kids - Debra in CO 10:11 Jun 26 (0)
Why, oh, why didn't my link work? trying again... - Lana in TX 22:19 Jun 25 (1)
- Thank you Lana! - Hannah 5:36 Jun 26 (0)

Donna T: Is it you who uses/used Sandi Queen's Language Series??(if not, sorry)But, If so could you compare The "for Very Young" with "for elemen. child". (m) - johanna 22:14 Jun 25 (2)

I have LL for the Very Young... - Becky in IA 6:30 Jun 26 (1)
- thanks, that helps a lot. I love that it has poetry appreciation! nt - Johanna 6:47 Jun 26 (0)

Biblioplan and SOTW !.........has anyone done them together? Why does biblioplan skip around........... - Amber 21:52 Jun 25 (3)

It's my understanding that they focus on one area at a time... i.e. Old Testament, then Ancient Egypt, then Ancient Greece.... (sm) - angela&4boys 7:29 Jun 26 (0)
I think it's because... - profmom 6:13 Jun 26 (1)
- Re: Well, no because sotw is all over the plan BUT they go from Chap.. 1 to Chap. 11 back to Chap. 5 then Chap. 2 Etc. thanks.........nt - Amber 6:52 Jun 26